Charlie and Steve Watch Stuff

[00:00:00] Hi friends Welcome to Charlie and Steve Watch Stuff where today we are watching X Men 97 name's Steve Selnick and joining me as always he just crashed through the roof of the X Mansion in his pod coming down from space my good friend Charlie Peppers Charlie how are you doing today man

I'm doing good. I'm doing better than Charles because he is late as fuuuuuck.

just cause you say you hope you're not too late does not excuse the fact that you are 1 000 percent late Now Charlie before we welcome our guest I just want you to you were just on the East Coast for a minute back in New York New York City Would you would you just tell us about how your time in New York City was

was great. I was there for the Edgar Allan Poe Awards for Poker Face. It was super delightful. I got to bring my partner, Cody. I got to bring my mom. They were my dates. It was very lucky, I feel very fortunate that I was able to do that. Here's something very nerdy, and I pointed this out to [00:01:00] Cody as we were, our hotel, it was in Midtown. time we passed a familiar skyscraper, I would look up and I would think, Hmm, I wonder how it would feel like to web swing as Spider Man in the PS5 game. Off of that building. that is my level of nerdiness that I am glad that I can just say on this pod because we are amongst our people, but New York was fantastic.

Thank you for asking.

Yeah of course glad to hear it And y'all amazing in your suits Y'all slayed it Y'all looked amazing in other photos I think those were more closed for just the close friends But that's all I'll leave it at and let's go ahead

I saw those ones

yeah you saw those two Perfect We're on the same page baby Let's go

circle

me Let's go green circle gang that brings us to welcoming our guests to this episode first returning guest to the podcast So what do That must be a good sign that someone wanted to come back but coming back from his infamous run on our Saltburn [00:02:00] podcast we are welcoming back the host of SlayerFest 98 and MyBloodyJudy Ian Carlos Crawford Ian welcome back to Charlie and Steve Watch Stuff It's great to have you

Hello, gentlemen. It's so great to be back. We're getting three tickets for challengers, right? Is that what we're doing? Heh heh.

heh Heh heh Heh heh

Heh Woof. Heh

Yeah just tell us about how how life has been how's life been treating you in the in the couple months since it's been since we've had you on

Good, X Men has been like, consuming my brain it's like, all I talk about, all I think about and I've been covering it weekly on my show, and it's been a lot of fun, I've just been like, you know, Steven, you and I talked a little bit before we started, but like, I really do feel like a kid again, where it's like, Oh, 10 year old me was this excited for this.

Now 41 year old me is as excited for this. But now I'm like, I have people to talk about it with, which is like, so cool. Cause like when I was a kid, I didn't really [00:03:00] know a lot of other nerds. Like I kind of was like the lone, like I had friends, but I remember even in like, fourth grade when I was like, Oh, who's watching Star Trek and everyone being like, So I just kind of like, had my nerdy stuff at home and like, would play with my X Men toys like, myself.

So it's like, really cool having all these people to talk about it with. It's cool that like, you know, I'm even talking about this episode twice! I talked about it on my podcast, I'm talking about it here, and like, I'm not tired of talking ab Like, we could do this three more times!

Every single opportunity I have To talk about this show And now that people in my life know that I talk about this show for fun on a podcast so they are also keen on talking about it So I I am now the receiver of many memes and just the internet is always 10 the best at especially this show So my breadth of content has expanded and and it's really nice to have a show like this sort of Reappear and [00:04:00] monoculture is hard to say but I think a lot of people are really hooking into it and getting into it And so it's totally agree with you was telling you earlier that I realized today that there's a new episode tomorrow because we're recording this on a Tuesday before part two comes out So it's like Oh you get that When's the last time you felt that sort of like giddiness for something coming

I agree. Because this is water cooler TV. This show is built for you to talk about coworkers the next day. It always ends on a cliffhanger. This show has so little fat. And everything that happens in this show matters. Every piece of the puzzle has been thought out with such an insane level of foresight.

It is crazy. I'm so impressed and I also love that people who the level of an X Men fan that maybe the three of us were, are now just getting as giddy as year old Ian and 10 year old Charlie and 10 year old Steve. So it feels [00:05:00] like our inner child is being validated right now.

Well that that feels like a good place to just jump right into it Let's get into this episode of X Men 97 We're covering episode eight in season one Tolerance is

It's an extinction or at least that's what we've faced so many of these episodes Daddy's a new threat and to get into those intro credits the two things that I make sure that I cover in this one is that the voiceover from previously on in this episode is similar to the on and the episode is typically similar in the episode Daddy Scott is very much the center of the episode especially with his relationship so we'll as Charlie likes to point out the voice of the previously

on for the episode is typically the emotional center of the episode Daddy Scott is much so centered in this episode especially with his relationship with Cable and Gene So we'll be seeing a lot of that And we get

Professor X included a photo of her store hand I was able to see [00:06:00] her store hand when I went down to see her so we know that she's she's doing a lot of work here she's coming in hot

in part two Hopefully I feel like the people would riot I know that the people would riot if she didn't come in for part two Ian Charlie either of you jump in here Is there anything else in these intro credits that you noticed you wanted to call out I know that these are always a treasure trove

The people running away from the sentinels are prime sentinels that we see throughout the episode in the opening But like humans that have always been there that run away from the sentinels before the X Men and the villains like run at each other, they are all like prime sentinels that are in the episode, which was cool

at you! That is a damn good catch. That's so impressive.

only, that's not me, that is my co host Brett White. He caught that immediately, and he like writes for Decider, and he was the first, like, person on the internet like, point that out. I don't know how he noticed heh.

heh heh Heh heh heh heh Heh heh really good

Heh heh heh heh

move, move, show me more Daddy [00:07:00] Magnus.

Yeah, but I want him in his cute, like, M outfit. heh

heh heh

but we can also do that.

We

can also do

All right so jumping into the episode we have a shot of Scott

yeah So I guess it's a good thing that we're watching It's a similar one I'm going to put a point of it A point of it So what's this episode And you said to give us another exposition So part of the ice cream subreddit I showed you on the timestream and Scott Coogrell just has a chance to be a good dad And he's been the best dad

essentially, what he does,

he asks the question So generally we know we said I know this guy is the best dad ever Now because he said that he was created the same person Melissa said he's created a new person

that I walk into was was really good Gene Gene just telepaths really hard This episode and uses it to give us a lot of exposition So part of that exposition is how he was separated from Bishop in the timestream and ended up in the future And that Scott overall just has a chance to be a good daddy even though he feels bad about the past you know and and night crawler is going to essentially repeat this [00:08:00] idea is that you know the past is the past and he has this opportunity right now to create new memories with his son even though he's being resistant right now The downloads continue Cable fills us in on Bastion how he was created All of the same prime sentinels that he's creating

Okay And the next second you're popping out from somebody who's supposed to be a person and you're jamming their heads and you're clearly not being able to see anything And it essentially explains this utopian and I use the name here it's it's a slave to create this utopian future So he's kind of the hecking who's originally trying to think of a way to change this type of [00:09:00] future for humans that actually has created this sort of like premise down the line It makes me 97 percent shy

originally trying to stop Genosha but he's been trying to change this terrible future for mutants that Bastion has created I'll let either of you jump in here about what we think of This sort of like premise download X Men 97 has not been shy

About kind of getting straight very juggernaut like if that's a tease for later don't know, like, if any of these were under uh some sort of yes or no at

this point

that Cable would have had a lot more shit to say if he got separated from Bishop as a baby. That seemed That would be a lot. I don't know how Cable would have survived and we would [00:10:00] have

He was an infant, like,

an infant, you know?

He had to get healed had to get the virus out of him or else he'd be some sort of prime sentinel adjacent wouldn't he

yeah, yeah, I think in the comics it's like he uses his power to keep it. It's like, that's why he has the one robot arm, but yeah, right? Like baby him wouldn't have known what to do because he was a baby, like literally just born. It seems like the internet has thought the other way, but I assumed it had to because otherwise that baby would be dead, right?

Like a baby just pops on

the ground in the

Yeah.

I want to double click on Cable for a second too. I think another reason why I I think Bishop is a huge influence on Cable is because Cable seems to have some of Bishop's style in his way of doing

Mm Heh Heh Heh [00:11:00] Heh

seen on this version of the show yet. But when it comes to Cable and just him Like avoiding Scott and all of that. In my opinion, this is the most interesting I've ever seen Cable. Because when I was in the 90s as a kid, Cable just seems like he was made by a bunch of Marvel execs and a think tank to just sell action figures for not gay boys, for straight boys. Like make jacked and big and give him a bunch of guns.

Why can't straight boys be represented too Charlie not enough straight boy representation

I know, but whenever I would look at Cable as a kid, and I didn't like actively dislike him. I would just, my eyes would glaze over a little bit because you see everybody with these amazing abilities and they're doing these cool things. And Cable's bursting in from the future with a [00:12:00] gun. It almost feels like Cable belongs in a different franchise altogether. what are you doing in the X Men? Like, even I had to before this pod look up what his powers are because I forget what they are. He never does anything.

It's, I feel like very, symptom of the 90s, like a lot of the new characters that were introduced just were like, Dude with a big gun! And it's like, alright, but I don't really care about the dude with a big gun. I like the cool powers. Yeah, I, I, Cable, as a kid, Cable and Bishop didn't, Bishop more so landed for me a little bit because they gave him a little bit more, I think.

Cable felt like just, like, he came in and was a plot device and was kind of it in the cartoon.

I mean my biggest cable memory is Josh Brolin from Deadpool 2 so that's

was

it's not setting the bar incredibly high

He was he was

brooding and pissed that his family was dead I mean they just fridged his family so I don't know how interesting that makes him It just makes him a trope in one way or another but at least he could time travel and [00:13:00] he turned into a good guy by the end I

Yeah

Yeah, I just

I like his cable.

Yeah

played Cable. I was here for that.

It is so hard to separate those voices from each other It's super funny

And he calls him Thanos at one point, doesn't he?

He

like Deadpool Yeah Heh

Oh my

heh Heh heh heh Heh Yeah

vs Wolverine and stay here which is Wolverine getting pissed at this cable that he didn't go back and stop Genosha And this leads us into I mean I can't say this is one of the I could say this is one of the biggest moments of the episode because we're going to have some really really big moments towards the end of this episode But this moment is really really huge lore wise and where it places this universe in

Yeah Mhm Yeah [00:14:00] Mhm Yeah Mhm

mystics of Karmortaj Strange Magic as we called it a couple episodes ago when Forge was whipping that whip on the adversary have said that there are these absolute points in time and if you're an MCU fan and you watched What If you recall the conversation that Supreme Strange has with the Ancient One explaining these moments in time as points in time that just can't be changed or else there would be disaster for the universe and so this really ties in X Men animated series to the MCU in some capacity it explains why the Watcher was in the sky when we were ascending down on that shot to Genosha because the Watcher typically is present for those absolute moments in time to pay witness to them to kind of make sure that they happen and I just loved how it really [00:15:00] tied together X Men animated series into the larger MCU as someone who's loved the MCU from the beginning Peaks and valleys all of it whatever they're gonna do with it moving forward I'm just super interested to see what's gonna happen with this and I I just love that little moment of contextualization some other things that it explains is a moment where Jean looks at Cable and has a moment where she realizes that Madeline felt happy when she died because she realized that Cable was her son and she got to see her son alive And again I'm going to use heavy air quotes around well but that You know he made it and that made her happy before she was blown up by that first initial explosion at the genocide of Genosha So that overall Cable is here not to try and stop Genosha from happening but to kill the person that killed his mother Essentially he's out for revenge they sort of get interrupted [00:16:00] by a newscast on television and hey oh surprise Charles is alive He's on TV and we get this moment of of their just big old gobsmacked faces as they see Xavier on the television being like the X Men covered this up and they're all just kind of like Hold on time out This guy's alive So I actually want to hold on time out because Charlie you knew that he was alive if I guess you watched the animated series back in the 90s and remember it would know that he's alive do the X Men know that he's alive is my question to you

It's really, it's not Ugh Not no? I mean, I think they were the la graduation day, season 5 of the original X Men animated series, they all see him off with Lelandra to the Shi'ar Empire, so they know, but they don't speak about him.

Like

he's [00:17:00] still alive. It's a very, I wish that I would

Yeah they talk like he's dead

he's dead, but maybe that's just because, maybe that's because of the separation that they need to make mentally.

Maybe here's something that I wish the show would have done.

Lalandra and how she was helping him or if the Lalandra Would have actually helped him pull through. Like, I wonder if any of the X Men Felt a little skeptical of her having the ability to bring him back From nearly dying and maybe somebody like Wolverine's like, I think Ol Chuck's dead He would have said something or sent a message back to us from I can't believe he's been so quiet or maybe She wasn't to do the that was able to do I think that would have liked a little bit of gossip Boop around what's going on with Charles. But I think that again, the show's so jam packed, it didn't have the chance to do that, but that would have been nice.

I think the X Men knew, they just didn't [00:18:00] know like, what state he was in. I feel like they, cause You know, they, they saw him off, and I, I will say, Charlie, I was like very aware of the language they use. They never said dead, they would say gone. They would always say, not here anymore, he's gone. And like, I was like, they're doing this on purpose because they know he's dead, the writers are keeping it a surprise for us, in case.

So like, in that first episode, when Morph walks in and is Professor X, right? And Cyclops is like, don't be a creep. That was when I was like, okay, he's alive because Cyclops would have been way more pissed

if

He was taking the form of like they're basically dead father later in that episode wolverine is like, you know The worst thing about professor being gone is having you here Cyclops and like that would read way harsher if he was like You know the thing about our dad being dead that sucks is I have you like that's like even worse And it's less awful if it's like he's just not here right now, but he's like You know, getting groceries or getting cigarettes.

So I like, I do think [00:19:00] they knew. I just think they like, because also the thing that confused me with that, I was like, the news has videos of the Shiar Empire. Like, I was like, and we're just doing that on the news and it's fine. Okay. But like, whatever, it's a universe with aliens, so sure. But yeah, no, I think that they very carefully used those words, so that way the X Men weren't, and there wasn't like a grieving or anything, so I kind of assume that they knew, is where I went.

And maybe we'll get more download in the next episode since we quite literally end with Charles returning to earth if that's not getting too far ahead of us If you're here you've watched the episode hopefully multiple times like us And so moving on from this from this moment and we get Sunspot and Jubilee hanging out with Sunspot's problematic mom who continues to pretend like she's trying her best but is sprouting problematic views on mutants That whole you know one rat in apples not spoiling the whole bunch thing Have we heard that one before And she's [00:20:00] simultaneously planning a benefit called Humans for Genosha as if mutants aren't human And Jubilee drops a hard You People capital Y capital P on her head and goes Hey let's spend some of that Trust Fund money on some new clothes For me Jubilee slays She knows herself She knows her identity And she isn't here for taking any shit from anyone who looks at her otherwise And I think that's a very strong representation that You know since black continues to need to see

Sunspot through spending so much time with Jubilee, just kind of, Progressively continues to step his bussy up, and is always just really, like, I see growth in him in these last couple episodes. I think, just him, really surprised that he got up and left the table with Jubilee. I didn't expect him to lean so much into pushing back against his mom as he did. That came as a surprise to me, [00:21:00] and it also made me come around to his character more in a way that I wasn't expecting to.

I agree, Charlie. I thought that was gonna be the thing, is like, Jubilee leaves and he's like, bye, I'm staying with my rich mom. I, so it made me, I feel like, you know, I mean, and Sunspot was more just like, the Jubilee placeholder in this, like, has given Jubilee more to do, but I, that was like a character development for Sunspot that was like, oh, now I like, totally fuck Like, I like him. You know, and they are teenagers, so it's not like I would have hated him if he stayed with his mom, because he's like, maybe 18, maybe 19, maybe 17. So it's like, hey, he's a, he's a kid. But like, that made me fully like his character way more. And I thought it was an important development for both characters to see Jubilee.

You know, she's, we finally are aging her right? She's not supposed to be like 12 anymore. And I like the idea of her more coming into her own getting confident, because she is my girl. And Charlie, I'm curious, I'm curious what you boys, like, I [00:22:00] like, so sometimes Marvel does a thing I don't love where they're like being progressive, but the way they make it not anger conservatives is like, The person delivering the progressive message is all to like people color so that way it doesn't look like they're talking to and I hate that but this worked for me because You know, I come from a Latin family and there are There are people that like would consider themselves more liberal Because they are like POC, or like, you know, because they're part of a minority group, but actually aren't.

And I kind of liked that representation of like, the mom would absolutely not call, she would probably call herself liberal or progressive, right? She's, she's holding, hosting a charity benefit for mutants, but then is like, but not in my house. And I liked the, like, nuance there. Like, she probably would be someone who's like, Mm, I don't like, I don't like Republicans.

I don't like Trump. But then does shit like that. And I, I, I think that's a, like, fun, not fun, but like a good layer to bring to that.

I think it's fun. I think [00:23:00] it's fun because it makes the viewing experience more real it makes it more of a satisfying watch, which I think you meant. I completely agree. And I want to yes. And what you said, I enjoy that scene for the intersectionality. race and class, because while Roberto and his mom are Brazilian, they're part of that culture, they are also wealthy, you come from a certain class, you're always trying to keep up with the Joneses, so if you are rich to a certain extent, you're pretty much an honorary white person.

Um because that's the level of privilege that you're able to get, and I think that she didn't want to take that blow to what their family wealth was, because that was one of their strongholds into a higher [00:24:00] society that otherwise would not have space for them. So I think that was definitely her Protecting her class and Roberto also has those instincts inside of him, but we're seeing him start to a bit He's getting unmoored From his upbringing in a way that maybe he didn't expect, just one more point I wanted to

K

kick the ball over to Ian again. You know who Jubilee reminded me of a little bit in this scene? Dawn fucking Summers. Like, I

was like, is he gonna say Don?

We're baby. This is why we're on this this is

I

my

On my Buffy bandwidth. This was giving like season 7 Dawn

the thing about Dawn and the thing about Jubilee and the reason why at first it took me a while to come around to both of those characters is because [00:25:00] their bucking against authority or their brattiness was a little bit ill timed. Like, Jubilee bucking the X Men was always annoying because they were in the middle of working and trying to do something. And it was just like, Jubilee, stop. We're trying to do a thing right now. She's like I want to help. I'm an adult. But seeing her being an adult

seeing her refine that assertiveness and having a backbone and turning it against somebody like Roberto's mom was such a stand up and cheer moment, and it's such a good use of that. Something about her character that I just found to be so annoying and making it Heroic and powerful

I got to say, Charlie, I feel like I pick up your like verbiage so much. I said, yes. And I think on the last podcast, I recorded for Slayer Fest. I like double click. I'm going that. You must be a writer. I, I think Jubilee I talked to Alison Court, who was the original voice of [00:26:00] Jubilee, and I was telling her that as kid, This is, I mean, this was kind of me projecting as well, but as a kid, I always thought Jubilee was Puerto Rican because I was like, oh, well, she's kind of sassy.

Oh, like, she wears bright colors. We have the same coloring, I also have the, you know, same kind of hair as her. And like, I just, because, you know, as a kid, I didn't pick up on the fact that she was, because they didn't really address it in the cartoon that she was supposed to be, you know, Chinese American.

And so I just assumed she was Puerto Rican because I felt like I was that bratty, like 12 year old, but at 10 watching the cartoon. And I wanted to be the cool kid who got to hang out with the cool adults. And I felt that I was like, I could hang with adults. I could be the like, cool kid that does that. I could not have been.

And so I think it was just like, she was my like, entrance into the X Men, like she, I was like, with her as she like, met them. So I just always have like, such a soft spot for her in my heart, where like, kid Ian wanted to be her, I was always bummed I never, they never like, released an action figure of her in her 90s outfit until, you know, a few years ago.

And [00:27:00] like, I always, I like, thought, yeah, like, I always thought like, I don't know, she was very 90s, and I was very 90s, I mean, I still am, look at what I'm wearing. And like, All of that just endeared me to her, like, forever. It was like, I imprinted on her, and I just always, even when it's like, she's not doing much, I'm still always rooting for her.

And this, like, really, for me, was a really good moment for her. Even more so than we got in the Jubilee episode. I like, that episode was cute. But this, for me, was more like her grown up moment. Where it's like, she's gonna put this adult in her place. She is correct. And also, she's like, let's go spend her money. Like, I love it.

From there we smash back to the mansion where we have Jean caring for an unconscious rogue with Kurt and Jean is psychically helping to ease some of her pain and anguish they speak about Madeline and how her memories feel real to her and how even the most recent ones Nathan kicking in her belly the actual birth all of it feel like her actual memories even though we know at that point it wasn't her [00:28:00] and Kurt Nightcrawler continues to be not just an emotional pillar of this series ever since he came back in He just like again I said this in one of the last episodes I just think net value pound for pound like per 30 if I'm going to make a sports ball reference Nightcrawler's got some of the best lines in the series and delivers them in some of the best ways in the series so far And Nightcrawler was always one of my favorites back in the day for his power set which is amazing which we're going to see here very very soon But he's he's got this really really great dialogue blood is blood and family is a choice,

so one of my friends was like, I felt like that was a little bit like we already know that. And I was like, yeah, but I do think like, Just from, I mean, I feel like I mention this all the time, the comments on every X Men post is a nightmare on Instagram. Um and And it's always, yeah, it's, there's, it's like, it's been getting better, but there's always a handful of people being like, Oh, what are you talking about?

Oh, you're reading too much into X Men, and [00:29:00] like, people that like fully miss the point or intentionally miss the point. And I was saying, I was like, well, I do think they needed to say that because it also felt organic. Yes. It's something like a lot of queer folks already know. But I think it mattered that he said it right then when he was, they were literally talking about family.

So it was appropriate and yeah, it's like the context becoming text, but I don't know. It worked for me. I'm curious. Charlie did it. did you feel?

for me because Jean needed to hear it I think

Jean not only did she need to hear it. She deserved to hear it. I

think that Jean and Kurt play similar roles the x men Jean is more Similar

the

soul of the X Men. I think

Kurt

represents faith and hope. So together,

Ha,

ha ha ha Ha ha ha

I think that they [00:30:00] a similar way of thinking about things and a similar softness and tenderness to them that is appreciated.

Whoa, would they make a good couple? Do I ship that? Maybe I do. Huh.

I'm still team Logan

still

don't know I don't care how problematic it is

hot, but I just,

Laughs

that they had with each other and the conversation

they

were about to have. I think Kurt, without being a telepath, knows the right thing to say. And Gene is somebody who has an idea. Of what to say.

Kurt has gone to therapy for sure He's very in tune with his emotions He's worked through his trauma He's made peace with the people who have harmed him in the past and he's really gripped on to the family that he's found as a result through all that work that he's done My dude has [00:31:00] definitely been hitting up his virtual therapy through the lockdown and all that good stuff and continue to do so after we got to go outside again So kudos to him and Jean takes his advice almost immediately and grabs Cyclops and Cable and they head out on the jet to go after Cable's lead which ends up being Bastion's hometown in Harmony Pittsburgh is where they lead back to and also as they fly off there's a mob gathered in front of the mansion protesting the X Men and they're Discretions to hide the fact that Professor X was alive from the public to gather for the mutant cause if we remember why that's a big deal The humans are pissed because the mutants got a lot of sympathy from the normie community by playing off that Charles was killed by Henry Gyrick and also Total coincidence right Gyrick that guy found dead in Mexico What a coincidence Charles is alive and Gyrick's dead It's almost like Gyrick worked for Boeing or [00:32:00] something Meanwhile as the trio get to the house That traitorous goddamn bitch Val Cooper reveals herself to be in league with Mr Sinister who freely tells her of his intentions to kinda like go off from the side of passion She seems to start showing guilt towards the fact that you know You know Magneto's locked up that you know shit happened at all Another person to say that I didn't know it was going to be so much of a massacre of mutants and Magneto's giving her the silent treatment and it's giving her going crazy about it And how often have you seen someone who knows that they're wrong about something beg the person that they've wronged to just say anything to them I personally have been guilty of being the person on the other end of this I've been the Val Cooper in this situation but have you guys ever experienced being on either end of this

Baby no That sucks

for

that!

listen

suck

all fuck up sometimes okay

I have,

I mean not, you know, I mean, [00:33:00] clearly I'm assuming you, not in the way of like kidnapping someone but in the way of like, oh I fucked up. Like I'm really

sorry can you just talk to

me? Right, yeah, but like, like that maybe was shitty what I did, like I'm really really sorry then the person gives you, I had a friend do this and and it, like, devastated me.

One of my best friends, I, like, fully apologized. I don't even remember what it was. And they, like, didn't respond to my texts for a week. And I was like, oh my god, this is a friend breakup?

i've experienced that like I think everybody has experienced thought, in my head, I was picturing somebody damn near naked, on a cross, like, I experienced it to the extreme of Daddy Magnus, and like, it just being super, like, I was, ah,

What

Steven, Steven, let me have this, I,

So you just pictured you just pictured me strung up in a black speedo on an X Cross that's what you

So Steven, you'll be Magneto, I'll be Val Cooper. We'll play it out for Charlie.

boys, come on, I,

This took a turn [00:34:00] and I'm here for it

exactly what I was picturing. But, but I've, I've experienced this. I had one situation with somebody I barely knew, and then I had a situation with a friend like you, Ian, and they circled back four days later, not quite a week, but by then I was like, oh, we're not friends because I was doing like a really big check in. And the check in fell on deaf ears for a while, to at which point I'm like, Oh, so you pretty much answered my question, and me

Yeah

if we were okay or not.

Also, it seemed like as soon as we cut to Val Cooper coming in, she already made up her mind that she was gonna release Magneto. If she was gonna release him so quickly, why have her be bad in the first place? It made such little sense to me that she would've gone along with this, having been that sympathetic.

Like, from jump, just feeling [00:35:00] just that deeply aware? Unaware? Of the mutant massacre and what it would be?

This is skipping forward a little bit but it's clear in a lot of the dialogue that Bastion generally has had the wool pulled over everyone's eyes Sinister didn't know that Genosha was gonna happen like it did Val clearly didn't know When we get to the council meeting none of them knew That Janosha was going to go down and there are some like big players in that room that we're going to talk about later So it's like if those people didn't know I'm not surprised that Val Cooper didn't know And I think we the show also makes a point of Val making very clear that she was undersold on what Bastion was doing They wanted new sentinel program more control over the mutant threat That's clearly rising here And I and I do think that she was playing both sides and getting in in like having Magneto become the leader was a wrinkle in her [00:36:00] plan and stuff like that But I think all of this was sort of trying to wrangle them into one place And I think it was by Bastion's direction And this was like the that humanity wants over mutants was taking it a step forward the whole time and not letting anybody know about it And Val is seemingly much like Trask was having a consciousness come out of nowhere about it all Which I agree with that it's quick but I do think that the show is making a point of like had the proverbial curtain pulled over everybody's eyes

I was fine with buying Valcooper at this point. I will say I had a little bit more with, little bit more trouble with Trask suddenly having a conscience than Valcooper. Just because like Trask, I don't know, this is what he's always done, so like,

wanted to kill all the mutants

I don't know dude, always your like, issue, so why are you suddenly upset about it?

Valcooper, I just, I don't know. She's She's a side character, so I'm not as, like, bothered, but I [00:37:00] would've liked just a little inkling of, because she seemed to, unlike Trask, she didn't always, like, we were presented with her as, like, an ally. She's trying her best, you know, she's still, like, in the government and still trying to, like, Work within the system and blah blah blah, but she didn't seem like someone who would go along with any kind of whatever plan But yeah, Steven to your point.

I am kind of like well Bastion pulled the wool over. Mr. Sinister's eyes. So like like clearly it's supposed to be she didn't think it would be whatever she signed up for was not what they got and I am like, I do think she's going to become a prime sentinel. I mean, she was wearing the frickin outfit from the comics in the last episode in this episode, and.

I do think, well, I like, trust the writing enough that either it won't matter by the end or we'll get a little bit more of an explanation. Because she did give that really, like, I was even a little bit like, what are we doing without Cooper? Like, she's a prime sentinel, right? That's why she went along with this.

And I kept thinking, because I was very much on board with the [00:38:00] she's mystique theory, but now that we know that she's not, I'm like, well, maybe she's a prime sentinel, but then she wasn't, but I'm assuming he turns her into one. Yeah.

like

yeah, but like, I, I don't know, I, I liked her speech so much, and I also liked that Magneto did not bring her.

Like, she released him and he was like, stay blessed girl, and just like, flew away and left her to die, basically. But like, I understand why he would do that, cause it's like, you were even there, and you let this happen? Like, you're good, stay with Sinister and Bastion, good

he spared her.

how

Yeah

not gonna strip all the fucking iron out of your blood. Like I did in X2. so, bye!

back to the mansion Beast gets paid a visit from the one and only Trish Tilby She's got coffees and an apology the coffee featured on there is actually the coffee place [00:39:00] that's right across the street from Avengers Tower featured in the old Avengers animated series from the 90s Yeah this show is tying in all of the old

Jesus Heh heh Heh Heh heh heh Heh Heh I'm not here as

a journalist but you keeping this body down here of the government is pretty juicy stuff Like fuck you Trish I went to too many of you I went to school with too many of those people at Emerson in the journalism program

Just somehow survived us

and infected in his father's strain of chris Essentially like a synthetic sentinel who's also vegan and can hear machines And is getting messages from astral essentially wavering in the universe We will be essentially descending from all of the sentinels except for them But honestly I wasn't sure whether or not Same [00:40:00] Heh heh

his father With that original strain of the techno organic virus which then when his father got down and dirty with his mother they created Bastion a essentially like a synthetic sentinel who's also a mutant that could hear machines and was getting messages from Master Mold essentially being like you're gonna be the most powerful mutant he's essentially descended sentinels that's ever been including Master Mold and Nimrod and honestly like I wasn't sure how they were gonna explain this but when they did I was like yeah okay If we're if we're talking about just like comics lore quick cartoon like yeah this is how it happened It actually happened in a very specific moment back in the 90s animated series where if you watch the old series series you would get a like Oh yeah I can go back and kind of what they're pulling from to bring us into this moment I thought it was actually like both very quick and very much so made sense in a way that I didn't I was actually less confused walking away from it which I feel like [00:41:00] superhero shows are bad at doing sometimes

You know what this also provided me? It really, and I thought it a little bit on Bright Eyes Episode 7 of the show. I really like the Prime Sentinels for X Men 97 because they're a really great metaphor of what it means to lose your humanity when you give in to hate of another part of the human race. So I think.

Ooh, Charlie, that's good!

Yeah that's fucking deep dude

they're turning into prime sentinels because that's what it, that's what it's like when you become a bigot. And you, you become less human you want other humans to be eradicated for whatever reason. So you almost,

you

a part of yourself and humans gave themselves over to this experiment so that they could keep up.

But what they really did was just take away. their own ability to grow and to be in control of their [00:42:00] actions because when you in to hate, you're not really as yourself per se. You are part of a hive mind. You are part of this mob mentality. You are like the fucking morons on one six, So I think this is a very apt metaphor for the show to be playing around with.

And to dig a little further into that metaphor usually that switch happens and unwillingly It just kind of happens to you when you start thinking like that And all of a sudden you've transformed into this different thing which we'll get to is sort of what's happening to these people that opt into this program thinking that they're going to be bettering humanity and in that meeting where that we talked about a little bit earlier we get that meeting between all of the masters of evil here and Val starts pressing Bastion about not telling anybody about Genosha and we get a casual appearance of Dr fucking Doom which was my first holy shit moment of the episode

[00:43:00] was actually to quote one of our other former guests I was literally gagged quite quite literally Shout out to Billy LaRusso And we also

get Baron Zemo in his OG comics animated series outfit we we get that character whose silhouette could be Killmonger we get a woman's voice in there as well so we see that there is this whole council and there's all of these other screens displaying people's faces and the general gist of that I think actually something that Bodomayo said is that those are just general leaders of the human race Those are just leaders of nations So like this this organization runs very deep this you know separation between humanity and mutants It's much deeper than I think we originally thought it was coming off of the nineties animated series coming into X Men 97 And we've got some pretty heavy hitters on this council doing their thing here What did you guys think about this reveal

I'll say this again at the end when [00:44:00] we talk about the other cameo, but like, I, I, this feels very comic book to me, and I appreciate it. I know people can complain about cameos, but that is true to comics, where like, yeah, Doctor Doom is in one panel with one line, because there's like a meeting of evil people or whatever, and that I love.

And that's what the original animated series did a lot of, where there'd be like

a blip

of a character, because back then, no one known anything, and Marvel was like, do whatever you want. So, they could do. This for other reasons and now they can again because it's under Disney. And yeah, I just love that.

I love them giving us just enough. of those cameos without making it a thing. Like, with Captain America, him for a second, it wasn't a thing.

And

I think that that is just,

that's

what it's like if you share a universe with somebody.

Just like if you live New York City, you bump into somebody that you know on the subway and you have a quick kiki with them, then you're off at different stops. It's very quick and it [00:45:00] doesn't change the course of your day, but that's what it's like when you're sharing universe. It,

it

makes all of this feel very, very real.

agree and Bastion like yeah we can keep Val around You know I'll make sure she's in the know from here on I'll even throw in a tour I thought that was such a throwaway line the first time But then I realized that he actually takes her on a tour afterwards and and shows her the Sentinel facility and explains the process of creating the prime sentinels which we explained a little bit before he sort of amids some of the gorier details He's quite literally like Gutting these people and upgrading them while still keeping their thoughts and their memories and all of that stuff and they're built to be activated when a certain thing happens back in Harmony Bashin's mother starts showing the trio paintings that he's painted back when he was a kid including his His most his best painting as she calls it back when he was 16 is this painting of a three headed master mold You ever heard of it And other sentinels presiding over defeated mutants that the destruction of of [00:46:00] mutants and prime sentinels presiding over them this is the moment as they're looking at this

I'm going to be doing a video on how to make a painting of a grime sample so I'm going to have the base on one of my surgical cushions another grime sample some chargettes and last but not least and Beast is just finishing up his test to see how many grime samples there are in something little fucking claw he's having on one of his legs and in that moment I was like God damn Trish this is so bad You see how I was so sad for Beast I was so sad for Beast man because you could tell that they were clowns when they were pushing on each other I don't know

I was like goddamn Trish is a sentinel and you see him Reach her hand in and pull his hand away and she's a fucking prime sentinel I was so sad for beast I was so sad for beast man because you could tell that there were problems but they were crushing on each other But the whole time she was a bigot She was a goddamn mutant hater And she turns into a prime sentinel What did you guys think of this this prime sentinel reveal

me of, alright, so [00:47:00] there's this quote

that

I always use because I think it explains racism to people who think that racism is just Getting rid of one bad apple in the bunch and it's like oh, they were a racist in this situation But nobody else here is racist and this quote says racism is not the shark It's the water and that always gets me like you cannot escape Racism, sexism, homophobia, like you can't escape these things because they're so cooked in that even people whose identities those things attack also have some of those things inside of them. And the reason why I can buy, because I feel two different ways about

there being so many prime sentinels.

And

I'm going to say why it works for me on a metaphorical level. [00:48:00] On a metaphorical level, it works for me and I buy it because I think that there is bigotry in everybody on some level. And at some point, it could just get activated. Like, for example, in episode 7, when Trish said, Oh, I understand the mutant cause, but property damage? Really? Why? You know, that was a bit of misguided bigotry coming out that she, again, corrected because she wants to do better. I thought that this was very terrifying because it showed everybody becoming Everybody giving way to the giving way to their bigotry and just those savage instincts. a writing level,

I

don't get how this would have been done so quietly with so many people.

I'm, wondering about that, if there's gonna be, cause we saw him when he's giving Val the Tor Bastion, that like, They went through, like, a process. I [00:49:00] feel like there had to have been an expedited way of doing this because that process seemed pretty lengthy. So I feel like there's gonna have to be something where it's like, Also, I put it in a bunch of, like, needles on drones and threw them into the city and whoever they landed on got it because I do, I I agree with and appreciate everything you said, Charlie, but in my heart, I just, because I like Beast, I'm like, I want it to be that she was like, she didn't willingly, I want it to be like, she was injected with it just because of that, but I do, you are correct in everything you said, but like, the like, nerd in my heart is like, oh, but I want Beast to like, have this nice like, Gale Weather's girlfriend.

I mean Bastion makes it very clear that they didn't know that I don't think these people went into this program knowing that they were going to be essentially dead after they come out of it

Yeah

and I can see we go back to the conversation that Trish has with Beast on Genosha it ends with him kinda be like Well fuck you [00:50:00] Like maybe asking for your tolerance was our first mistake And I can see her walking away from that being like Oh yeah these people are pissed I need to protect them

I can see that Yeah

was cause she was already feeling a little you know iffy about the property damage So she's like oh yeah they mean business I need to I need to kind of get ready So again there's two more parts I think there's a chance for them to really flesh out how

Yeah

came to be or maybe they won't

mean

be talking about it at the end

bigot, it shouldn't be Trish. She can take several fucking seats. I mean, she is on her way to coming out, to being a furry. I'm here for that journey.

Oh my God

she's aware yet. She needs, she's figuring something out about herself. I'mma be there when she realizes it.

I'mma be there. But yeah.

Oh my goodness that was too good I don't know why I wasn't expecting that and how we haven't made that joke yet So we're gonna we're gonna get into the big fight This is just I [00:51:00] mean I don't know how else to describe it It's it jumps back and forth a bunch We're gonna go between kind of all three of the scenes here We start with Gene Cyclops and Cable flying off in the Blackbird they kind of start the fight by running away from the fight because they're clearly very outnumbered and they remember from the last time they fought one Prime Sentinel that it kind of washed them until they could get their hands on that electromagnetic grenade and Jubilee flee as more humans come in Turn sentinel in the mall jubilee yelling I'm totally done with malls Was an amazing callback to the first episode of the animated series And and obviously just like yes you should be done with malls after everything that happens to you with with sentinels Their sunspot openly using his powers here Blown people up with the power of the sun I I'm unclear if this version of sunspot has super strength Maybe they'll explain it more but one thing he can do we'll talk about much sooner and I want to slow down at this next moment because this one of my favorite scenes of the entire series so far And that's starting with [00:52:00] rogue still unconscious in bed with just this creepy creepy shot from outside the window of all of the over her bed which I think really upon second watch through really hits you hard because it goes from this loud moment in the mall to all of a sudden it's silent and they're just staying there quietly And then Wolverine comes in Nightcrawler comes in and they have this moment of defending her and using Nightcrawler his teleportation and his swords

and Wolverine with his claws they're tearing apart these sentinels and they realize that they can't kill them night crawler so we get a clean out them to different places and we actually one of the coolest scenes of the entire series and we're in the north's closet sitting all nice Night crawler crawling people are all seeing the moon and you see all of these

uh

stretch out and all Nightcrawler then night crawler kind of

into the roof And you see Wolverine's arms stretch out and all that stuff and then Nightcrawler just kind of like looks back at him Just kind of like yeah I [00:53:00] did that That's what I do all the time It's casual my dude really really cool moment definitely one of the coolest fight scenes that the show has put forward so far

my like, YouTube reaction video during that scene is me going, this is so cool. This is cool. Like I. Yeah. Kid Me would have ate this up so much, but Adult Me still did. Like, Adult Me was just like, like I had a big smile on my face. It was such cool action, and Nightcrawler, it is wild that he did not appear until like, what, two episodes ago in this series, and he has quickly become the heart, the soul, and the badass?

I said I have a soft spot for Jubilee, I have a soft spot for Nightcrawler too, because When X2 came out, I was a manager at a movie assistant manager at a movie theater. And I was like, in charge of promo, and I was like, we should I, you know, I loved X Men, so I was I was so happy to be in charge of promo.

We did a lot of dumb shit. And one of them was the day of release, four of us dressed as X Men. I wanted to be Wolverine. But, [00:54:00] this is me getting revenge as an adult, the, the other like 20 year old that worked there was like pretty muscly. So my boss was like, no, he has to be Wolverine, you can be Nightcrawler.

And I was like, I have to get blue paint? So I was painted in blue from head to toe for a whole shift at work, which was miserable. And then we went to the mall to like pass out coupons for the movies. And because the X Men weren't well known, someone called the police on us to say there's someone dressed as a demon.

And some guy holding knives. Yes. Yes.

they were prime sentinels.

Yes. Yes. So like I loved seeing my little blue elf baby boy get his due justice this week I have Adrian Huff, who is the voice of Nightcrawler as like my voice actor guest. And I actually specifically asked him about, I was like, I got to ask because I'm I kept in my brain hearing Nightcrawler say, Nyah, nine, like, no. But [00:55:00] like, he says nine, cause he's like, no my friend, nine, when Wolverine says I got six reasons. And he was like, before I even finished, he went, yes, I played that on purpose as a pun, as like, you could read it as me saying both. He was like, cause Wolverine wasn't alone, but also like, he's saying no to these people.

And yeah, I just, man, everything about it looked so cool. The teleportation is not something I had, like, given much thought to, but it looked fucking cool. The fact that, like, they are done their fight, you feel like they've defeated everyone, they're on the roof, and then there's just an army more, and the shot of them panting is so good, because it's like, these two badass warriors that have been, like, fighting for their life in this, like, beaten down on fire mansion where they live, They've now gotten out of, like, hell to only see there's way more coming.

And I just thought it was such a cool shot, and so, like, it was like my baby's last stand. Like, these these two men were like, Alright, this is it. We're gonna still keep going. And I just, like, I could cry. That's like, I [00:56:00] love I love both those characters. I loved seeing that. I I, like, I always appreciate that kind of moment.

And I know X Men does stuff like that a lot. But in this cartoon, we haven't gotten a moment where Aside from like Rogue and Gambit where it feels like this is our last fight, but we're gonna keep doing and I don't know I I just loved it.

I totally agree

loved it too, and Nightcrawler, fuckin, as soon as he got knocked back into that bookcase and the two swords fell down, I was like, Ooh, they done fucked up now. They done fucked up now.

I was like you better pick those up

those up. And fun nerdy fact Ian, I always tell Steve that my favorite video game of all time, which I'm going to start replaying this week, X Men Legends on PS2,

because

game

customize your characters in an X Men Legends, Nightcrawler, he doesn't have his swords and x men legends 2 He gets two swords and he is able to upgrade it to do blood damage So that when he slashes it you actually see [00:57:00] blood come out of the enemy and the enemy progressively

right

health And that's the version of nightcrawler that I saw in this and it kind of made me connect to that Yes, and this is the only time a cartoon, I believe that we've seen Wolverine actually stab someone claws.

happened

he was tearing through those people

in back and I so here for it's to DeMaio and the show's credit that I was cheering for Wolverine when he was falling through the sky because he is just one of the ensemble and he hasn't been

Hogging

all the glory of the fight scenes.

Yeah and I did skip over that moment of when Trish first goes sentinel she kind of bursts through the roof of the mansion and we do get that amazing scene of Wolverine sort of dive bombing through the air with no parachute straight back through the roof of the mansion and we know he can handle it because he's got that magic healing ability But yeah [00:58:00] cutting sentinels in half And I agree with you that he his his one big moment was very overdue because he really just had the the getting charged up by Gambit and taking out that first Master Bold in the first episode and he he hasn't had much of like a holy shit moment

Yeah

So it was good to have that moment with him and have it with with Nightcrawler

more thing before we move on. Can we just I love Morph. I love Morph so much. But our girl

did nothing

can't fight to save their damn life. It doesn't matter

maybe that's why he's not the most powerful X Men because he has no idea how to handle his powers And that if so if he was more confident then maybe he would be more dangerous

do you, how do you get bodied when you turn into Juggernaut? I don't, I don't understand. I think it was somebody, maybe Mando on MandoWatch on YouTube channel. They're like, one of the X Men needs to pull [00:59:00] Morphicide and say, hey, do you see Wolverine? Do you see Nightcrawler? They have one power and they're really good at it.

Buddy, do you maybe wanna? Just focus on one morph and get really at instead of because I will say the one Time that I saw saw morph really keeping an enemy on the ropes was in episode 2 when they were fighting the executioner. I think for morph to be

power they have to juggle between a bunch of different morphs to be Unpredictable because if they just do one it's kind of kind of laughable.

It's kind of funny at this point. Funny and sad.

So you're saying that Morph is a third year undecided student basically is that he just he's been taking a lot of liberal arts classes and not really getting into anything else He's really into his acapella group and that's now I'm just talking about myself Okay moving on we we go back to Sunspot and Jubilee where Jubilee is running away from the Prime Sentinels on a roof jumps off of [01:00:00] said roof doesn't know how she's gonna survive that one And gets caught by Sunspot who can fly surprise He can fly We knew that he can fly but he hadn't shown his ability to fly yet Jubilee reacts very fittingly She's like oh god you too You can like literally everybody can fly except for me Are you kidding me Which was amazing And he was like yeah I was actually gonna surprise you I've been practicing in the danger room which I think is really cute That's like when you're when you're You've been secretly practicing how to like dance or

Yeah I and we cut right back up into another flying situation where We lose another Blackbird

which Gene first of all clips Cable's seatbelt on him which was very incredibly stepmom which I loved or I guess mom like I don't know are we calling Gene the stepmom I guess she's like the mom the second mom Something like that And She's the the mom that stepped up That's what we're [01:01:00] gonna go with

up

And so she also very rightfully goes to Scott that like you know Hank's gonna kill you This is the third Blackbird in as many months but it he doesn't really care He just wants to get in his Porsche which he drives out of the exploding Blackbird which is amazing fun fact The license plate says Slim SL one M which is one of Scott's original nicknames in the comics In his earliest continuity he was called And together the trio have this amazing family moment where you got Scott driving and Jean protecting the car with her physical ability busting through mountains making it fly and Cable hanging off the back shooting sentinels as they drive away from them And you know they go flying through the air and then we smash into Sunspot and Jubilee also flying through the air They crash into the humans for Genosha those douchebags benefit and they claim that the sentinels are trying to kill them The sentinels immediately power down and we find out that one of their other superpowers is the power of gaslighting where they then tell the party it's like no we're not here to kill you [01:02:00] We're here to save you We're here to save mutants from themselves and being a danger to other people And we get the ultimate betrayal of being a bad person by Sunspot's mom where he was just like go go with the men Jubilee and Sunspot are collared up and they are taken away Now before we head into the finale of the episode do you want to talk about just anything else that I've skipped over here We just covered sort of a lot all in that moment

I loved the Summer's family moment. continues to shine as not the punk that she was in the original show. That's my girl.

the moment with Roberto catching Jubilee was very cool. For a second, it looked like she had an idea of how she would catch

herself from falling like, and I hope that we see that again because if she can propel herself with those blasts, make them really powerful.

I think that that would be a good way for her to have Like short bursts [01:03:00] of agility. I think that would be cool

That would be really fun if it was foreshadowing for her figuring out how to fly in some capacity I didn't think about that as an option That'd be fun Well let's roll onto this finale Bashan is is standing presiding over a burning mansion where Sinister phones him in and and calls that Val has let Magneto out of his capture back at the base he apparently has the power of teleportation cause he's almost immediately back at his base where Val is he strings her up and that's where we get this incredible speech from Val about how You know no one really seemed shocked or surprised in how we've all become numb to this horrific violence that continues to be perpetuated in the world and that Genosha is just another in the long list of horrors that we do to each other in the name of one thing or another and that at the end of the day I can't overstate this enough Magneto is right And what a for the show to make a clear statement like that and you show her letting [01:04:00] Magneto out as she's making this speech you see Magneto slowly floating up to the North Pole in nothing but that Daddy Magnus speedo and he uses the polarity of the North Pole that it's enhanced magnetism he utters the one word enough sends a gigantic electromagnetic pulse that shuts down all of the electricity and In the entire world do you think that's gonna have some consequences my friends That's not that's rhetorical it's gonna have it's gonna have some consequences a lot of yeah your grandma that's on life support not gonna be living for much longer I hate to say it but yeah so we this also defeats the entire army of prime sentinels and it it it's going to have consequences Incredible ramifications on the real world as Wolverine describes later it is an act of war that Magneto has declared on the world even though he did save the mutants in that moment he also did in fact declare war on humanity by the fact that so much collateral damage to have [01:05:00] been caused to the planet And we get cameos that I just was not ready for Was not ready for we get different parts of the universe reacting this gigantic event and I think the one that we need to stop and talk about right away is the inclusion of our good neighborhood friend spider man Flipping through the air seeing the lights of New York getting shut down Reacting to it with his big animated Spider Man eyes What was the pitch of the scream Was it like was it did you break the DB meter Were your dogs looking at you in weird ways because only they could hear it That was probably what happened on my end Y'all I freaked the fuck out I had to rewind because I just didn't see the rest of it because I was too busy freaking out

also you called

I,

a

couple episodes ago. You were like is spider man gonna

oh did you?

I

think Steve did.

I called that Avengers are coming some way now I think the Avengers might be coming as [01:06:00] adversaries to the X Men

yes, I, I think we are leading to that. I think we are leading to. If it's not Avengers per se, it'll be like a group of pre established superheroes in that universe or like something that I think will show up as adversaries and then be like, oh wait, and help them. I think all of this is leading to the X Men breaking and we're gonna like break off into different factions.

I think we might've touched upon that, Charlie, when you were on Slayer Fest. But especially after this Valkooper's speech made me hope she doesn't die. Like, I was like, okay, that was a really good speech. I kinda hope we, like, keep her around because that was really good.

I do think she's Prime Sentinel dust by now, but that made me like her. I like that she, you know, she's basically, like, strung up about to die and is like, listen motherfuckers, Magneto was right. I hate all of you. do your worst. that made me like, gain back some more like, respect for her.

And because we don't know like, the severity of whatever she agreed to, or what she thought was gonna go [01:07:00] on. But I do think the X Men, this is like, fully gonna lead to other superheroes that aren't mutants coming in, to either fight against them, or help them in some kind of way.

But I do think, yeah, I do think like, We're seeing Captain America. We saw Spider Man. I do think I mean, you know, it's fine if they don't write But I do think that would be cool if they came in Not as the main focus but like at the end in like a big battle type thing

I feel like we have to see Spider Man again I feel like he's gonna be swinging over to X Mansion being like what the hell happened And maybe act as more of an intermediary between the X Men Any Avengers that show up and the X Men which now that we're talking this out and something that I just thought about could be a possibility we also get the Silver Samurai reacting to all the lights shutting down around him The Silver Samurai did show up in the X Men animated series back in the early 90s So we might see that See him popping up again and we also see a nuclear plant holding one Omega Red shut down Everyone's flipping the fuck out over that facility going down I do [01:08:00] hope and wish and pray that we get more Spider Man sooner than later Yeah

I, I don't know what's honestly I'm on the edge. You see, you see, you see a girl. This is me. This is me. You see me. Do you see me? I'm the edge.

sq

I'm

a little bit just

the edge of my

saying it so didn't have to yes

perfect

that out. No,

Hell no HELL NO

Leave but I think I, I'm on the edge of my seat.

I don't, I genuinely don't know what's gonna happen. I know what I would like to happen, and what I would like to happen is that I don't think the world can be mad at Magneto for what he did, because one.

I mean, it will be though.

That is true

[01:09:00] turned into prime Sentinels. So you have a bunch of us citizens who went in for an operation and were violated and didn't consent to this. The government knew that this was going to happen, but I don't think that they knew it was going to happen all at once. And they definitely didn't know about,

Genosha. So I think everything that's happening with Bastion, he has the government on his side. So Magneto bucking back against that is an act of war because this was The protocols that they put in place.

Well isn't that part of the problem is that they're they're setting up Magneto's act to be retaliation for Genosha against humanity Like they don't assume that some villain mastermind mutant sentinel is behind it They think a human's behind it or at least that's popular opinion And so there's this general fear again and we're going back to that conversation with Trish and Beast again that there's going to be violence from mutants In reaction to what happened there Magneto's Act is an act of violence I [01:10:00] mean I I don't think we should be surprised when they're like you killed thousands of people I'm not talking about Prime Sentinels I'm talking about people on planes I'm talking about people in hospitals I'm talking about people that if they were in a situation where electronics failed they're dead And so I think that there's going to be a lot more catastrophic loss of human life because of that act that no matter how it is on the scale between what happened in Genosha and not it's going to be read as retaliation from and it's only going to whip humans up against that cause no matter what everyone else is trying to do

yeah.

Damn. I didn't think of it that

Let's take it to the finish Yeah no I think there's gonna be a lot more like real world ramifications beyond the Prime Sentinels that I'm very excited for them to to dig into into the next episode

was just

just head

men too. So yeah, go ahead

No no you're right You're a hundred percent right Magneto was just the face of the X Men so he's the best representation And I bet people think that he's in cahoots [01:11:00] with all of this because you know Charles left Magneto with the X Men

Yeah

You I feel like Charlie Day and It's Always Sunny

I but to finish off this episode Wolverine Morph Sharon Abeer Prime Sentinels and the corpses of former husks of humans littering the yard of the X Mansion And they're just

like damn shit's fucked up Magneto Magneto declared war on humanity They could really use the professor right about now Cue the professor crashing in through the roof of the mansion A good theory that I heard is that the electromagnetic pulse maybe took out the controls of the ship which is why it came crashing

didn't think about that

That

makes sense

of it just seem like the professor's a reckless tool that doesn't know how to drive which I don't know I mean maybe maybe they're pedals and he couldn't you know use them That's really you know of me

and you get so you also X Men the [01:12:00] space is created when people go extinct and then which is like we have a lot of stuff And so it's it's I hope I'm not too late He was and he does his hand to forehead thing and calls to me my x men and you get some some x know there's something weird about it It's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's it's not it's not not

when I saw Storm pop up. I was like, yes!

if we don't get that intro card for Storm next episode there's gonna be riots in the streets from me specifically

the North Pole and set off an EMP if we don't get Storm and new fit just being like

Government if you're listening he's not gonna do that He's don't don't think he's not I promise

am. I am. Magneto was right. Charlie Peppers was right.

I, I, I saw someone I can't remember if this was on my podcast episode or on Twitter because my brain is just all X Men all the time now, but I saw [01:13:00] someone say like, oh, why was it those four? And it's like, well, he called his favorite four X Men. That's why. Cause like Beast is there. Like

Beast is

yeah, like it's not like he's only calling people that aren't there because Beast is literally there where he is, but he calls Beast, Storm, Gene, and Cyclops.

And I liked the idea of him being like, But let me call my four favorites.

Tough luck for Logan

and Morph were right there in front of him though, so I guess that's why

but But I'll

but Beast was there too.

and Wolverine weren't on the group chat, yeah

yeah

not, yeah.

It's tough looks dude Yeah Jubilee not on the group chat I guess she's captured or whatever so she can't go anyway but that's super funny Do you guys have any final thoughts on the episode or just honestly Ian like the season as a whole before we head into our Sentinel ratings for this episode

It's been hit after hit after hit. There has not been a skip this season. The Motendo was maybe my least favorite. It was more of a little bit of a filler, but like, I still enjoyed that episode. There's nothing I haven't been fully on [01:14:00] board for. And I gotta mention the horror gal in me loves that the Prime Sentinels are basically like Deadites from Evil Dead.

Like, I love that.

I

am glad that the Prime Sentinels are maybe off the board right now, cause the X Men be gettin their asses WHOOPED! whooped since episode I've never seen them get beat up this much. This is terrible. haven't seen the X Men beat up this much since I had a Super Nintendo in the 90s and I kept failing the levels in X Men Mutant Apocalypse. Just egregious. They were getting their asses so much.

We are at the point where they need to start taking some dubs rather than Ls They have taken a lot of Ls this season and maybe there will be some more Ls but like Rogue's gotta wake up we gotta get Storm back I think we got some dubs on the way hopefully But bittersweet dubs if we know the X Men animated series well enough So that's going to bring us into [01:15:00] our final Sentinel ratings for this episode Ian rated it on cocktails last time Not not sentinels or or batarangs but we're using sentinels this time So feel free to a half sentinel but what would you rate this episode of tolerance is extinction part one

What do you, out of how many do you normally do,

five

of five I didn't say that

Okay

just like that out of five Yeah

So I think I would go four and a half, just because I'm saving the five, but four and a half out of five sentinels, I think.

I am also, you read my mind Four a half sentinels. I don't think that this was, this didn't have the craftsmanship. 7 and how that episode dealt dealt with grief and rage this episode Felt a little bit more like table setting with some great action set pieces

Attached

to it But I will say what kept it from being four Sentinels and pushed it up [01:16:00] to four and a half is Val Cooper's speech, all of those amazing cameos, Magneto looking like he's about to start an OnlyFans just all of the things.

I thought it was really great.

Yeah.

not

I would sub to Daddy Magnus

Magnus.

Magnus in a second it's funny Ian we have a running joke that Charlie and I don't talk about these ratings beforehand but there's some groupthink happening because we continue to rate the episodes the exact same every single time this episode is no different I am also at a four and a half sentinels

Look at us.

And that was like what I was going to rate it the whole time I totally agree I mean if this is table setting this is fine fucking China for sure and the action pieces were amazing I do agree that bright eyes was a bit deeper on sort of like an emotional depth front but I am like so looking forward to what we're going to be getting with these Next couple of episodes of X Men 97 so that's going to do it [01:17:00] for our coverage of of tolerances extinction Part one if if this is any indication we're going to be diving deep into parts two and three over the next couple of weeks and before we head out I just wanted to sincerely thank Ian Carlos Crawford for coming out and joining us one more time and hopefully not for the last time we'd like to keep you around as much as we can so Ian before you go just tell the people where they can go and find you on all of the things

You can find my podcast, which we're also doing weekly coverage of X Men 97, 98, at SlayerFestX98, on all social media platforms we do video recordings that go on YouTube, and Audio goes in our podcast feed and you can find me at IanxCarlos on all social media platforms and my horror podcast, which is currently on hiatus, but is coming back to do pretty little Liars Season 2 reaction videos this week is at MyBloodyJudy on everything.

Amazing Very cool Charlie anything to say before we head out

I just, I love you boys. This is such a great, what a great way to start the day. This is amazing.

That's going to do it for this episode of [01:18:00] Charlie and Steve watch stuff for myself, Steve Selnick, our guests, Ian, Carlos Crawford, and my good friend, Charlie peppers. We will see you all. on the next one. friends!

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