Charlie and Steve Watch Stuff

[00:00:00] -Hi friends! Welcome to Charlie and Steve Watch Stuff, where today, I can't believe I did it, but we are watching Barbarian. My name's Steve Selnick, and joining me as always You took the barb, you took the barb, took the barb barb. It's my good friend, Charlie Peppers. Charlie, what's up, baby?

Hey, baby. I wasn't sure what was going on for a second. Then I thought, Oh, he's doing the movie. He's doing the movie.

Yeah, that was, that was something else, man. Oh, what a film. What a film indeed.

through each movie, I've been quietly just in my head thinking. Okay, Steve. Keep watching another film on the list. Watch another one. Because every movie we watched, he said, That wasn't so bad. That wasn't so bad. You know, and now we finally have reached a film that [00:01:00] gave my boy some paws. So I'm ready to jump in.

I'm glad that you deliberately gave me the dumb man voice in your second iteration of That Wasn't So Bad because I'm, much like all of the male characters in this movie, were just a dumb boy the entire time. Just a dumb boy. How little did I know? Charlie, I had to watch, we're recording this in the afternoon on a beautiful day in October.

I actually had this pulled up to watch during the day yesterday, and I got five seconds into the intro of just like ominous music and darkness and rain. And I was like, Nope, can't do this right now. Just not heads had headspace is 100 percent not right. And I decided to wake up early when my like brain is at its best and like drink my coffee watching this movie.

Okay,

Honestly, I, I think I probably liked it a little bit more because I like came at it freshest. It's like, [00:02:00] I like doing my most productive things as early as possible. I'm a weird. I like that.

But like my most productive personal things, let's not get it twisted. I don't love working early in the morning who, I don't know who does, It felt like the right time to to go for it. But anyway, let's let's jump right in because this was a doozy and a half.

It really was. Barbarian, released in 2022, directed by Zack Cregger and also written by Zack Cregger. That definitely shows in the movie because it is a vision. Steve Selnick kept saying, why, why, why, while he was watching it, for very good reason. The

Is that the vision?

That's what he did. The film stars Georgina Campbell, Bill Skarsgård, one of those Skarsgård babies, and Justin Long.

Very small cast, and we're gonna break into why. The plot sees a woman finding out that the rental home she reserved has been accidentally double booked [00:03:00] by a man not knowing of a dark secret within the dwelling. So the way that this movie opens up, we get Tess, the main character, she arrives at a rental house in Detroit on the evening before a job interview. However, she finds it has been double booked and is already occupied by a man named Keith. Initially unnerved by Keith, Tess warms up to him and decides to stay the night while Keith sleeps on the couch. When she wakes up in the middle of the night, she is shaken to find her bedroom door has been opened, but Keith is asleep and assures her he did not open the door. All right, let's, let's dig into this, because I got a lot of shit to

I'm already like re noping out. Just reliving it all in my head. I'm just immediately like, nope, I remember this part. Nope, absolutely not. Oh god, I hate this scary shit. It just gives me the heebie jeebies,

Okay, let's dig into why it gives you the heebie jeebies, because the

No, this is not a therapy session, Charlie.[00:04:00]

bitch, it could be.

That's, that's tomorrow. I have, that's a different, that's a different zoom call.

I meant more on a tactical standpoint. All right, let's break it down.

the ominousness of it all. And as you, that, that T word that you love to say the tension word that that is being built from, from scene number one. the first thing I wanted to talk about kind of in this opening. Probably like 15 minutes that that probably covers is that one of the things that inspired this film is this nonfiction book called the gift of fear and I learned that I don't know if you're aware that Amazon has the nifty like fun facts.

If you're watching a movie on on your laptop or on your phone, it has those like quick facts that come at you. So this is one of the quick facts that I was like, Oh, this is fantastic for podcasting. But the gift of fear. It has a section that encourages women to trust their intuition and not ignore the subconscious and very not subconscious red flags that arise in their day to [00:05:00] day interactions with men.

I think that Bill Skarsgård is immediately demonstrating a lot of these red flags that should immediately be like, no girl get you can figure it out. He's probably lying to you. There's not a conference that's in town. Like you could, you could figure it out. Making her tea when she said she was already okay.

Her walking out to him sitting there like a fucking creep with two wine glasses. And like, they do start to play with your brain a little bit and you hear some creaking and the floorboards and the music in this movie the entire time is, I don't know what modern horror music supposed to feel like, but for some reason this just felt like I'm like, Oh, this is modern horror music.

It doesn't feel like it's in your face, but it feels like it could be maybe something that Trent Reznor releases. Anyway, it had me scared shitless and the entire time I was like, girl, get out the house. But based on what you've taught me, Charlie, I felt a little bit more. Like Tess had final girl plot armor the whole time.

So I wasn't as worried for Tess the entire movie [00:06:00] as I probably would have been maybe watching this like three weeks ago. Anyway, that's a lot of word vomit. I want to thought about that initial

No, that's what the podcast is for. Word vomit

away.

is word vomit.

I would say, yeah, Tess right away is somebody who is deeply tapped into her instincts. I'd also like to say that the opening of this film definitely gave me psycho energy, Alfred Hitchcock, psycho, not any of the remakes because. Back then, checking into a hotel is what you would do on a dark and stormy night if you had a conference in town, but in the 2020s, getting an Airbnb is what you would do, so I would say The scariness of this movie started when she didn't even have the proper code to get into her Airbnb. That is something so mundane that if either you or I were running into that as an obstacle, not only would we be annoyed, we'd be scared. We're in an unfamiliar place, it's super late at night, is the [00:07:00] person who Booked this for us around, what are we going to do? Can we turn around? So it's, it's an inconvenience that can very quickly spin into a horror scenario. So I thought that that right away, just the movie is so modern for that. And it's so universal and just that tiny detail, you said that Keith is just a walking red flag. I don't necessarily disagree. But I also think that he has a lot of graceful qualities to him. He, yes, insisted that he make her a cup of tea. He was sitting on the couch kind of weirdly with two wine glasses. I think that you could read into this based on your own life experiences.

And being in situations like that. Also, neither you or I are women in this situation. Definitely. I would feel differently if I were in this situation than maybe somebody who [00:08:00] wasn't, a gay black man, but at the same time, I think there's something about the way that this actor played the character as a little O fish. And a little unsure of himself and a little, Oh yeah you can watch me make the tea or I'm confused. I don't know what's going on either. When I first saw this movie, I either thought he was a really good actor, the character, not the actor. The actor is good though. I thought the character was putting on a charade, but yeah, I, I think this dude is just a decent person in a really, really awkward situation.

Yeah, I could see that it is. Bill Skarsgård, who we're talking about, famously known for playing the, the Pennywise, the clown in it and it part two. So when he's like, it's not like I'm a monster or something. Well, technically you are a monster a little bit, but just in a different reality, I suppose. it all kind of culminates in, she [00:09:00] decides to spend the night Despite what I would say is her better judgment, different situations call for different things.

There's a, there's a guy named Marcus who keeps blowing up her phone, who I guess is like and I think this is something that the, the perpetual cycle of being. beholden to men in some sort of way that this character seems to be in some sort of every single time like she seems like still attached to this guy that she comes back to in a secular basis and she seems at the mercy of men throughout this movie and I want to talk about where that goes by the end of the movie, because yeah, see, I think I understand things beyond people getting their faces smashed in spoilers.

so we, we go to the next day, and we get that creepy moment, or I guess in the middle of the night, we get that creepy moment with the you hear the floorboards creeping in the night, and the door is nudged open, and you hear Keith having a nightmare on the couch, and she goes to wake him up. And he like screams and is like, what the hell?

What [00:10:00] the fuck? Why would you do that? I think any good horror movie makes you go, well, maybe this isn't that guy and makes you really, really think about it. And so we then we get to the next day you couldn't really tell what kind of neighborhood she was in when you were getting the opening scene at night, but then you see it in the daytime and like, this is the only house that's still standing.

there isn't even another one that's not totally, like, broken down. Urban Decay in Detroit is the reason that's cited for that, which is, I suppose, a real thing. But she goes to this job interview, knocks the job interview out of the park, and then she tells this lady where she's staying, and the lady's like, Wait, what?

You're staying where? That's a terrible, you should not be there and not Oh, don't go there. That place is condemned. There's nothing there for you. You're quite literally alone.

And she's like, nah, I'm a big girl. I'll be fine.

backing up a little bit, she and Keith do kind of spark a little [00:11:00] bit

Sure.

before, and I'm not saying that that is a reason that anybody should deny what their gut is telling them, because I think she definitely should have listened to that lady and not gone back there, I think she went back more because she is a good person, rather than she just has a little crush. You know, I think that this is somebody who, her instincts told her that he was an okay person and meant her no harm. So, she kind of clung onto that without zooming out and looking at the surrounding area. And how weird it would be for a house like this to be booked out when everything around it is just decaying.

That is fucking odd, you know? But the

fact that she Just zooms in on this connection that she has with this one person. I think, I think she's lonely. I think that [00:12:00] she enjoyed the connection. She enjoyed their time together. Hell, maybe she's strapped for money and this was really affordable. That could say a lot about the economy right now.

Oh,

what I was going to say is that I think it cleared the bar of how much effort do I want to put into finding a new place and how much cost is it going to be? And is this worse than that? And I think after that night, she decided it wasn't a no, although even after seeing all the buildings and hearing that warning from her potentially new future coworker, it still wasn't worth it.

Going through all the trouble of trying to find something different.

She Ends up returning to the house. She's chased inside by an unhoused man who yells at her to leave. Never a good sign. He definitely would know the area

Get yourself out that

Get yourself out that house.

I would've listened to him. I'm like, given this area, I'm like, oh shit. If I were her, my mind would've gone to, oh shit, are there squatters in the house that I don't know [00:13:00] about? Is that the noise that I heard with the floorboards? Like, that's where my mind would instinctively go if I were her. But again, different people, different scenarios. So Tess accidentally locks herself in the basement and stumbles across a kitchen hallway, leading her to a room with a camera, a stained mattress, ew, a bucket, and a bloody handprint. Keith returns to the house and frees Tess from the basement. Ignoring Tess's warning, he investigates the Hidden Hall. When he does not return, Tess follows him and finds a subterranean tunnel attached to the Hidden Corridor, where she finds Keith injured. While they argue about where to go, The pair are attacked God, even just reading this makes me see her in my head. The pair are attacked by a naked, deformed woman known as Mother, who kills Keith by violently [00:14:00] bashing his skull against a wall.

This got

this got me good. Good twist. Really

good twist.

but as soon as I saw that dark hallway, I would have been out. I'm out. Keith had no

business going in

had no

had no business

no business. The, the, the hubris on this man from the moment he walked up to the house and saw that Tess was locked in the basement and kind of just thought it was a joke. Being like he was laughing. He was like, the fuck are you doing down there?

Like, what happened? How did you do this? Letting her out of the basement? Him being like, yeah, sure, I believe you, but I don't believe you because I'm going to go see for myself. You fucking toxic bastard. Like his masculinity is still his downfall. And his inability to listen to a woman when she is speaking is absolute, like he's refused to actually listen to her the entire time from the T all the way to this moment.

I don't know why you would walk down that tunnel without saying anything to the very end when she's [00:15:00] like. The getting out is this way and he's like, no, no, that's where she came from. And I'm like, my dude, how is that possible? How is that possible? Anyway, he deserved

know how it's possible? You know how it's

earned every,

single bash.

He got

Boy Math. That's how

it's possible.

fucking boy,

All the time. Gets him all the time. I think Keith has never had to fear for his life on the level

failing

Tess has had to fear for hers.

talk about never fairy for his life. We're about to get to

we're about to get, I mean, it gets taken from him pretty abruptly. That was a

very brutal way to die. And I did feel bad, because Keith, there's nothing wrong with Keith. He just was stupid. About how he went about this situation and Tess cared enough about him to go after him and be concerned

Listeners, in case it's not explicitly clear, the lesson of Keith is to believe women.

that's always the lesson of Keith. Let's just call it the lesson of Keith from now [00:16:00] on

Write that down. We'll take a second. Write that down.

You know who could definitely use the lesson of Keith. It's

the

my god.

You know who I'm getting to, you know who I'm getting

Oh my god.

so entertaining, he's so damn entertaining.

He was so

cause he's, He knew, he knew the assignment. Who knew the

assignment? Justin fucking Long. The house owner, an actor named AJ, is fired from a television series over allegations that he raped his co star. Pressured to sell assets to pay his legal costs, AJ travels to Detroit to inspect the house before selling it. He finds the hidden tunnel and tries to measure it, believing it may increase the house's value.

This part was pure camp. Pure camp. Just him pulling the tape, and pulling the

tape, and pulling the tape.

And then him getting all the way to the room, touching the mattress, being like, ew, but then like still measuring all of it. And then the next thing he does is google if you can [00:17:00] count, underfloor space as extra square footage. Not alarmed whatsoever at the murder basement and the tunnel going into, like, with the cages and shit like that.

He's just googling whether or not he can put it in the square footage.

Unbelievable.

The world, the world is for him, so he's never had to consider that anyone would be out to get him, except these quote unquote bitches who are out to get him. Karma comes to get him by the end of the movie, but we're not there yet.

Does it

it does it ever. The mother attacks AJ in the tunnel, and he falls into a hole where he meets Tess. A flashback to the 1980s shows Frank, the house's original owner, abducting women, raping them, and keeping them captive in the tunnels, where it is implied that he rapes the offspring. this is really fucked. This is super fucked.

I'm gonna back up, that flashback's very interesting, it wasn't until my second watch of the movie years ago that I caught all the nuances of it, I thought that it was [00:18:00] really random to be jumping back into that time,

Talk about that a little bit because, I mean, I kind of took it for what it was, which is just a little bit more context of what the house was and how it came about, but tell me, tell me those nuances that you see as you, on that like second or third or whatever. Like what jumps out to you during this kind of like flashback crawl.

Mm.

well, it's just the looming threat that men present in the world. You know, I

don't think that there are many scenes of men interacting with men in this movie at all. It's all about men taking up space, men interacting with women, and the quiet bargaining that I think every woman does in their brain when they're presented with a male stranger. You know, that as men, we don't have to do, we don't have to do the calculations that Tess did when she shows up to the Airbnb. You know, we don't have to At the grocery store, just wonder what this strange man is going to do to us. You know, I, I think there's [00:19:00] also something to be said about all of the men who do harm in this movie, just being white men, because I have a running joke with one of my friends when he says, Oh my God, this guy was so hot.

I'm like, was he hot? Or was he just a tall white dude? Because I think in our society being a tall white person, that's just an immediate stamp of, okay, you're somebody who the world has been built around. You're somebody that Pop culture is definitely telling me I should be into and I should dress and I should idolize and I should believe. So the fact that Keith is, by the way, handsome because, hello, he's a scars guard. Justin Long is an actor who's revered and he gets really frustrated when his privilege gets challenged and then you have this guy in the flashback. Who also isn't bad [00:20:00] looking, so it's definitely saying something

about, yeah, Annie's tall.

Annie's

imposing almost. And that lady in the grocery store doesn't bat a fucking eye when this strange tall man is like diapers and plastic sheets and things like that.

Mm hmm.

well, I guess he is trying to deliver a baby in some way

she's probably, she's probably seen Stranger Shit. I think in her head, she's more thrown by his vibe I think

she can tell that something's off about him.

Bad vibes, bro. Bad vibes.

Bad vibes. The gift of fear. The lesson of Keith!

The lesson of Keith, believe women,

yeah, but it was really weird. What do you think, let's talk about this AJ character.

What did you think of AJ, and why did you find him entertaining?

first of all, entertaining. I just want to do a quick timeout on this. He is guilty.

Oh! 100%!

There is a scene in which he proves that he is [00:21:00] guilty of the rape he is being accused

he's a piece

to his friend in the bar. It's like the, he's a piece of shit. He writes like it's almost word for word, how you would hear it written off by any white man.

That's trying to like, including the, like going home drunk and calling and leaving that

that was so gross.

a good

That was really

well, it made me uncomfortable because it was real. It was, yeah, it was real. Fucking a man, like. It's a character that you can't wait to die, I mean you explained it a lot already the privilege being removed from him being held accountable for his actions one of the few male to male interactions is when his bank is no longer representing him anymore, telling him to go find different wealth management, he was pitch perfect. I, in, and so when I say entertaining, I, I mean the, the. The

The movie wasn't on his side. That's what

no, not at all. Not at

The movie knew

it was entertaining watching him [00:22:00] flounder. Yeah, it was, yeah, it was entertaining watching him cluelessly walk down this hallway that we just saw someone get their fucking head smashed open in being like, Oh wow, I can count all this as square footage.

Like it's a miracle. He lasted as long as he did. And the only reason why he did is because he had a test there.

Yeah, the only reason he has, the longevity that he has in the movie is because of Tess, It's just so funny to see him fumble. You're also just waiting for this guy to get his. That's the fun of this movie.

You're waiting for him to get his. Also, because Justin Long is a great performer.

So, I'm waiting to see how he's going to react to Mother. And when I tell you When she put her titties in his face!

this is the cutout. This is the cutout.

Oh my god, I [00:23:00] have never screamed and laughed and thrown

myself on the couch so fast.

ba ba

ba!

was incredible. That,

You have to drink it! You have to You have to fucking drink it!

it was, it was absurd. It was gross. It, it was incredible. It was justice. It was definitely justice. And what that guy had coming to him all along,

She was giving mother.

was giving mother. She gave him

Is this where that started? Is this where that started? I feel like this is where that started. I know it's not, but it

But we can apply it to this because it's awesome. She

gave mother and then some with those tiggo bitties

Anyway,

god, is just desserts.

god In the present the mother locks tess and aj in a hole Tess tells aj that the mother wants them to act as her children AJ is dragged away by the mother, who forcibly tries to [00:24:00] breastfeed him. Tess uses the opportunity to escape the house with the help of the unhoused man from earlier, who warns her that the mother will come after her at nightfall. This reminded me of the 90s when they would say It's eight o'clock. Do you know where your children are? So mother definitely is the embodiment of that. When it was 8:00 PM she wanted to know where her children, quote unquote, children were. I also find it interesting that when AJ. Runs into Frank, AJ, for the first time in the movie, and Frank is the guy in the flashback who I believe committed all these atrocities.

Yeah.

actually has sympathy for him, and he's wondering, oh my god, dude, are you okay? Which is so interesting to me. What did you make of that? Mm

he trusts that the man is the victim.

He's like, oh man, what did this, what did this monster do to you? Like, this is [00:25:00] so, this is just another layer of whatever fucked up shit that she's doing. And then he has to discover for himself that the man is actually the bad guy. And that, I don't know, maybe he, maybe he learns that in that moment that, like, they can think that they're good guys as much as they want, but they're probably bad.

I don't know.

Yeah, it's, it's just fucking weird. And there's tapes of all of this stuff going on with the VCR,

a

Yeah, because you saw the video camera.

VCR. That's how, you know, this has been going on for a while, that technology.

He's got this on tape, tape. A horrified A. J. berates Frank for his crimes before Frank kills himself with a concealed revolver. I don't know why Frank killed himself, but assume that things are working out the way that he wants them to work out. I don't think he isn't a victim of the mother, he's just, complicit he's there with her.

he probably just thinks he's made

What do you mean?

Like, he probably [00:26:00] just thinks that he's going to get, like, hauled in at that point. Like someone discovered a secret.

Yeah.

I don't know why he didn't choose to just shoot AJ, but maybe that was all the strength he had was to just lift it out himself. I mean, in terms of like things that are not fully formed. The whole Frank thing isn't it's just kind of like this is a thing that happens. And they just happened to walk into it and that's that. And it's kind of like a, it's a cesspool of the worst type of masculinity. And, and I think that's probably like, you know, this is, this is the worst kind of man that you can be.

And this is the place that's created when you are that kind of person. I guess that's the, again, I'm digging into the deeper message of everything because we weren't, We weren't given lore or contextualize on things like I think you're used to in movies these days, where everything needs to have context and background and needs explaining where they just went, this is the thing.

We're not going to explain it.

Right. [00:27:00] Right. I think that that works to the movie's benefit because it's just very, there's a banal quality. To a lot of the violence and a lot of the violations that happen in this movie, it kinda just is what it is. I don't know if that's a really dismissive way to say it, but in a weird way, I could kinda see something like this movie happening in real life.

Oh, that's yeah. Interesting. I actually was about to say something sort of the opposite where I was like, I think it actually keeps it out of real life for me to a degree. It keeps it as more of a, a scary story rather than. Something that happened in the world, if that makes sense.

right, right. I can see that.

But I can, but I, just what I was about to say, I can totally see your end of it too.

Look at that.

Look at us, making a podcast. So, Tess leads police to the house, but they dismiss her story due to a lack of evidence.

[00:28:00] Us

fucking cops,

fucking cops, assuming that she is essentially a drug addict who was squatting in the house and everything else is a delusion and leave as night falls. Tess breaks into the house, retrieves her car keys, and rams the mother with her car, seemingly killing her. Tess returns to the basement to rescue AJ. Why? AJ, assuming her approaching footsteps are the mother's, mistakenly shoots her with Frank's gun. The two escape and find that Mother has vanished. Tess and AJ then take shelter with the unhoused man. Yeah, I definitely think I like the moment with the cops because I could see her race playing into it as well. So I thought that the intersectionality of that was really interesting, and I thought her Insistence to set things right and to do the right thing. It's definitely giving me final girl energy It's the reason why she accidentally gets shot by AJ, but still I'm impressed with her as a [00:29:00] character.

Yeah, I mean, I guess it makes it a less entertaining movie if she just leaves AJ behind, but like, damn it, dude, use your fucking ears, man. I guess AJ never really listened to Tess either. So I guess in general, hey, dudes, Listen to women,

believe women,

hmm Absolutely all the

both sides of that coin. Less, less bad things would happen if we did that.

Oh for sure for sure. I totally feel that I totally feel that So we start coming up to the climax of the movie. The in house man explains that Mother is a product of Frank's multi generational incest with his victims. The Mother Burston kills him by ripping his arm off and beating him to death with it. That was some Mortal Kombat

name is Andre, by the

his name is Andre. So, Mother Burston,

RIP Andre.

Andre by ripping his arm off and beating him to death with it and chases Tess and AJ up a water tower. AJ loses his [00:30:00] gun and pushes Tess off the water tower to save himself.

What a piece of shit. The mother jumps

What a piece of shit.

were you shocked when he did this?

No, that's the worst part. As I was like, oh, this piece of shit is going to throw her off. Because it was basically right when he was like, I can outrun her, right after he was like, I can get away. I was like, oh no.

But that's, that's like, he's what a, what a, what a fucking golden tongue snake mouth motherfucker, like this piece of shit would, would toss you under the bus. The first chance he has, if it meant saving his own skin, which is, you know, toxic traits.

Yeah, yeah, I find that very interesting. I also found his monologue interesting where it felt like he was on the precipice of realizing or owning up to the fact that he is a piece of shit, but he denied that for himself. So he's aware. He's aware of how far gone he really is and how he treats people, particularly how he treats [00:31:00] women and how he moves through the world. But then for that monologue to happen and for him to hard pivot to pushing Tess off the water tower, I thought that was a really great move. With the writing, the performances, the directing, he's just a very, he's a solid character. I'd say that he's the true villain of this movie.

I agree with you.

After AJ pushes Tess off, the mother jumps after her and shields her from the fall. AJ finds Tess is still alive, but as he tries to rationalize his actions to Tess, the mother awakens and gouges his eyes out before split splitting his head open, just Ah, fatality! The

deaths in this one for sure.

mother attempts to comfort Tess, but she remorsefully shoots the mother dead with Frank's gun and limps away as the sun rises.

I did like that it was a post credit limp away because I after she shoots mother [00:32:00] and goes to like directed by what, what's his name? Sorry, I'm blanking on his name. I keep wanting to say Zach Kusan, which is the name of a guy I went to college with. It's not the name

Zack Cregger.

was directed.

See, I was Zack Cregger shots. Is that Cregger? Shout out, Zach. Good job by you. Great movie. And I mean that. But I, I love that they pulled like a mini Avengers and like did the, like a couple of credits before you see Tess walking off into the sunset and you're like sequel, let's go sequel.

I interpreted it as a mercy kill,

Interesting.

Because the mother was so far gone and what the mother had become and , Tess just intuitively understanding that the mother was treating her and Justin and probably at some point attempted to treat Keith or wanted to treat Keith like one of her Children just mumba ba ba ba ba ba understood what she was about on a level, and also saw that this is just all that that person would be [00:33:00] capable of being, which is a very brutal, laws of the jungle way to look at it.

But, I think that it was less about feeling like she had to get away from her, and Kill the villain in more of a I'm so sorry that happened to you. Let me just put you out of your misery.

I dig it. Fucking, I can't believe I watched this feature.

Yeah, now you get to

talk about it. Now you get to talk about

yeah, I guess I'm like also glad that I did it or whatever, and I'm like laying back in my chair like a fucking 14-year-old. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't that like we can get into ratings and stuff like that. Like I. I didn't dislike it. I, I think once I finally like got over myself, it allowed the movie to play.

I'm glad that I waited until I did. I, I'm going to try and not make it a thing for the last movie. I'm going to try and watch it at like a normal time that well, I don't know if there's normal time that people watch horror movies considering you watch it as a fucking lullaby, but that's besides the point.

I appreciate what the movie was saying. The ways in [00:34:00] which it was saying made me uncomfortable, but maybe sometimes that's what you need to do in order to hear the message is the thing that I'm going to say for it.

Yeah, I love this movie. I also love this movie for how it switches genres. It starts off as sort of a thriller, then. becomes a horror film, then becomes really

satirical in the second

act once A. J., Justin Long's character, steps onto the scene and then becomes a horror film again.

It, it really, it does a lot of things. It braids a lot of different elements together really, really effectively.

I also want to compliment the final needle drop with the the be my be my be my little baby. That was such such a good final needle drop like chef's kiss definitely a fantastic way to to go out of that movie. So let's let's write this thing Charlie. I, I have an idea for final ratings icons. Do you, what do you want

I want to know what you're [00:35:00] thinking. I want to know what you're thinking.

So I was thinking either baby rattles or we could do baby bottles. We can't do boobies or, or VCR cameras. One of the two.

The VCR camera

feels creepy. The baby bottle, mm hmm. Just because, Yeah,

M bye

Bar bar, bar bar, we gotta do bottles.

Alright, well, out of five baby bottles, I'm gonna give Barbarian four bottles, which is really high! For Like, probably would go back and watch again if someone was like, Oh, I would want to watch that.

Yeah, I like it because of all the conversation it started, and just all the feelings it brought out in me. So I'm gonna go five bottles. Because not only is this A film that I think shifted the genre. And a

lot of people compare things to barbarian, like now if a [00:36:00] film, a horror film switches genres in between, acts, people will be very quick.

Well, executives will be very quick to say, Oh, like barbarian, like barbarian, like barbarian.

So I think that's very very interesting and very cool.

That is interesting.

But, that's my take, I'm glad that you watched this movie.

Well, apparently it's not going to get any easier for me as we head into our final week of spooky season. Is there anything else you want to? What's

seen Get Out before though, right?

What?! What?! It is a

I was, so, I was just about to ask if you wanted to spoil what our final week of Spooky Season was and I guess I don't have to ask anymore because you just did it.

So ladies and gentlemen, we're going to be, we're going to be covering the 7 0 Classic Get Out, of which I have never seen before. In our final week of spooky season.

It's in my top five.

as we promised, these spooky movies are not getting any easier as we get to the [00:37:00] finale of our, so we just go progress. Well, I mean, I probably would have flipped the craft and scream if we were going to go progressively scarier, but we'll pretend like the craft and scream are both kind of starter kit, scary movies, and then we've slowly gotten scarier as we've gone from there.

Charlie, I'm going to go ahead and say. That we should definitely do this again next year. I, I kind of loved it. And I think, you know, I, I could always use some expanding of my horizon. So I think we're going to have to come back for spooky season round two when, when it rolls around in 2025. So fingers crossed that we're, we're blessed enough to still be doing this by then.

But if we are, we're going to be it again, for

Absolutely, baby.

I love it.

I love

as always. I love you too, man. As I said, no better way of expressing my love for you than willingly watching scary movies.

That is for sure. No one else could get me to do it up until this point. So, you take that as you will. So that's going to do it for this episode of Charlie and Steve watch stuff.

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